I just recently got into fishing big swim baits for bass. But I have a small problem.?
Ok, it’s a huge problem. Casting distance.
How in the HELL do some of these guys that I see cast their lures so far? I’ve practiced and practiced, and on a good day, these guys are throwing them 120, 130, 150ft! On a good day, I can barely make it at 70ft!
My girlfriend got me into it. She was watching something on either History Channel or National Geographic about big bass and swim baits. She said I would probably catch more and bigger fish. So she bought me a rod and reel that she thought could handle the heavy weights of some of these lures:
Shimano Calcutta 400B reel and G. Loomis Big Bait GL2-966 8′ Mag-Hvy rod rated for 3-10oz lures and 25-45lb mono.
I love her.
Anyway… she also bought almost a housand dollars worth of baits for me also:
a couple Castaic Rock Hards, Castaic Platinums, different sizes of Huddlestons, A couple Mattlures Hards and Baby Bass Series, three different SPRO BBZ-1s, Stocker Trouts and two different colors of Tru-Tungsten Tru-Life Trouts. For Christmas, she’s trying to find the 5 different Jerry Rago trouts…
Anyway, I feel like I’m bragging. My question is: How can I get the distance some of these guys are getting? Like I said, at most I can get is about 70ft… these guys are easily doubling that. I have the brake backed off almost all the way, I’m using 30lb Sufix mono on my reel… I’m letting the lure hang down from the tip between 3-4ft. I watch these guys close. I’ve tried side-hand casting, overhand, everything they do, but I still can’t figure what I’m doing wrong.
Some of these guys are really secretive about their techniques and pretty reclusive, they don’t like sharing ANY info or helping anybody. So I’m hoping there’s people here that fish these big baits that can help me. Thanks in advance.
Nathan: Yeah, fishing in California. Castaic mostly, sometimes Casitas.
slept on & terby: I don’t do the Rapala thing.
Rusty Nail: Just like Grand Master Basser said, 10 or 12lb line can’t handle these big baits. The weight of any of them would pop the line and snap the tip of a light rod. In a heartbeat.
Jan: What’s the other direction your’re talking about? I don’t quite understand what you meant.
The Wormist: Lol! PINK Ande mono?
What kind of muskie rod are you using?
Does Loomis not offer a lifetime warranty on their rods? I wasn’t aware that Shimano even made a heavy swimbait rod, let alone offered a lifetime warranty.
Wouldn’t 50lb braid be a little heavy, not that 30lb mono isn’t much lighter?
dhughes214: Medium-heavy rods aren’t made for casting big, heavy lures.
the catfisher: True, but practice is still not enough.
Alex: You mean deadsticking it?
JaimeTheBartender: Yeah, I know how you feel. I went To Castaic yesterday and I’m still feeling it in my lower back and shoulders.
And yes, the subject of marriage has come up. She’s an only child, sorry. Explains why she’s spoiled and has money all the time.
I’m having a hell of a time trying to choose a Best Answer. I can’t pick between Nathan S, The Wormist, and Grand Master Basser, its a tie with those three! Is there anyway I can give all three of you the credit?


Maybe try a medium heavy rod that’s a little more on the heavy side. Rods vary, some medium heavys are more like heavys, some heavys are just flat out too stiff for anything. You should be getting a good flex on the tip of your rod, creating a sort of slingshot effect during the cast.
I assume your in California and have met the Bass Mafia that fish there and don’t like to give tips or help other anglers out because of the fear if they give you a tip you will catch the next world record and they won’t. I think you may just need to practice your casting. A good cast is almost the same as a good golf swing everybody does a different motion but the end result is the same. You may also want to look into a rod with a softer tip, the rod you mentioned may be to stiff. The show your girlfriend probably saw was Hooked on Bass which was on National Geographic and has been on my DVR for the last year and half and gets repeated all the time in my house. I would say try another rod just to make sure your rod is not the problem and keep practicing your casting.
I cant answer your question exactly as i dont do the huge oversize swimbait thing but i will tell you dont need those lures nor greater cast to catch that trophey bass.I caught an over 15 pounder on a rapala HJ08,great distance is great on a cast but the more important thing is swimming it by that special spot just right.you could probably lighten your line quite a bit it helps you cast farther and if your not getting some spring on the backstroke you do need a diffrent pole.I do those zoom swim baits fly lined and get crushed at certain times.and always remember practice and intirgration is going to make you alot better the guys that are casting those huge distances have probably been doing that a lot longer and have figured out all the proper gear and i know alot are real a-holes but i am sure a few would be happy to show you what its all about.
A rod with a more flexible tip will help ya out and also lighten up your line. 30lb line is thick and isnt gonna cast as far. Also i’d reccomend Rapala lures. Theyre AMAZING!
i catfish and normally i let it hang 1-3 foot down if i go to far down wont go as far same as to far up
Rig one of your rods with 10 or 12 pound mono. The line you are using is too stiff to get a long cast. With your drag adjusted correctly you can land any weight fish with any weight line. I have caught 40 pound Chinook on 10 pound line. My wife caught a 12 pound Northern on 4.
I suggest you to go a step in the other direction. Now let’s talk about the Length, within the bounds of good sense, the longer the rod the greater the distance it will cast; however, there are limits beyond which a rod simply becomes difficult to manage. For general bass fishing, an 81/2-foot fiberglass rod of suitable weight and action is a good choice
You may find this article interesting:
http://hubpages.com/hub/BASS-FISHING-GUIDE
l use a few of these this time of year. l prefer the floating models. l like to “deadstick” them. let them float for as much as 10 minutes before twitching it.
l don’t get those 150 foot casts with mine either. l suppose l could if l loaded my rod completely but l still feel uncomfortable flinging an 8oz lure with my rod. l’m still afraid of breaking the tip off.
l use a 7 1/2 or 8 foot musky rod (that actually could use just a bit more tip) with a penn international 965 and 25lb PINK ande line (girls like the color and hang around).
your rod will handle any of those baits. had she gotten you a shimano “crucial” rod, it would have had a lifetime warranty and you would have no worry.
start off with an easy lob working up to really loading the rod and flinging it way out there.
switch to a braid between 30 and 50. see if that doesn’t help a bit.
the bigger bulkier ones l think have too much air resistance to get any real long casts with them. you will need to use more streamlined models.
and just spend some time watching those other guys.
tell your GF that the Wormist said good luck on finding those rago “tools”.
you’re REALLY gonna use a 300 dollar lure??
lemme know when you do and when you get hung up l’ll go in after it after you leave!
First off, there is no way ten or twelve pound line can cast the big baits you’re talking about.
I know how you feel, though. I can barely manage a fifty or sixty foot cast myself. And those guys do not like to share anything at all. Whether its tips, hints, or even an answer to a yes or no question. Those guys are a**holes. Through ‘n through.
But when I do see them guys making those long casts, I watch and pay attention to every little detail and move they make. There’s one guy up at my home lake that I see every once in a while that goes by the name of “Chief”. He’s one of those that can cast an EASY hundred-fifty feet or so. One time I saw him completely skyball a big (HUGE) topwater plug and just made it land about an inch or so away from a big white goose. Talk about precision aim. That was hilarious, though. Anyway…
When I watch him, he really, really lays into his cast. I don’t remember right off hand if he keeps the lure right at the tip of the rod or lets it hang low, but all I know is he puts his arms into the cast. The Wormist mentioned something about not wanting to overload his rods. From what I can see, I think that’s what you gotta do.
I don’t have an expensive swimbait outfit like yours or an arsenal of expensive baits or a girlfriend that will buy me whatever fishing tackle I want for that matter, but I do seem to get buy with it. Shimano Crucial CRC-S711XH, seven-foot-eleven, extra-heavy, rated for fifteen to thirty pound mono, twenty to sixty-five in braid, and five to ten ounce lures, the rod itself only says “swimbaits eight to sixteen inches long” with a Penn International 975 with thirty-pound Maxima mono. I’vee only gotten a few on it, none that are actually worth mentioning. Except I did prematurely set the hook on a BIG one this past Friday. I saw the sumbitch, it was a huge one. I was using a Strike King King Kong swimbait in a baby bass finish. I really wasn’t expecting to get a strike, let alone see it.
Good luck on finding that Jerry Rago Trout Tool… yep, that $300 lure is about as rare as a leprechaun and his lucky charms. I think it’s even harder to find than an original Castaic Wooden Trout. Those I know are worth in excess of $500.
practice makes perfect
First, your a lucky guy! Second, I dont own the same rod you do, so I’ll just give you a heads up on what I do.
1. Dobyn’s rods (795 SBMT, 806c, 807 MAG SB)
2. I toss that Hudd 8″ ROF 12 or berserkbaits has some cool 6″ paddletails.
3. Either 25 copolymer line yo-zuri or braid 65 power pro with a Flurocarbon leader
The braid really does toss far, and has the diameter of about 12lb mono.
The rods have long handles used like a jack poles…launching baits
Don’t cast into the wind…..if your really dedicated you can cast let it sink and troll away to any distance you want…if your patient this isnt a bad option letting it sit for a couple minutes.
Dude, Seriously, Marry Her!
Does she have a sister?
Anyway, I would try to test down my line to about 20lb test. I spent two days last month casting a Castaic SBT8 on the Colorado River and never even thought about a break. But the one thing I did notice, that just like you, I was only casting about 75 ft when I started. But 3000 throws later I was casting twice that far. Crap, just talking about it, I can feel it in my back and shoulders again.
Jamie
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